Today, Christians do not need to rely upon dreams and visions to know God's will or to reveal the future. We need only to rely upon God's Word to reveal His will and plans for our future. Many charismatics rely upon dreams and visions (Benny Hinn, Kathryn Kuhlman, etc.) to know God's will.
Hebrews 1:1-2 says, "God who at sundry times and divers time manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds."
God's Son is His revelation; therefore, visions and dreams are no longer needed today in our day of grace to determine His will for our lives.
I told you that I was a dispensationalist! But not an ultradispensationalist!
The key word here is to rely. Indeed, God has given us His Word which has all we need to know His will for our lives. The Bible does not, however, forbid the concept of God still speaking to people through dreams and visions. Joel speak of such occurring in the latter days. And the New Testament has examples of people who were spoken to in this most unusual manner (examples, Pilate's wife, the wise men, Peter, Paul, and Cornelius). God doesn't change, and there was enough in the Old Testament to proclaim who Jesus was, even if there were no dreams and visions. The key is, I believe, to be open enough to accept that God can do anything He wants to, but to be discerning enough to know when something is not in accordance with His written Word, which is the ruler He gave us to measure truth by. This doesn't mean that if we can't find a contradiction with Scripture that we should accept it was God saying something. Any dream or vision that includes a prophecy about something must be 100% accurate or it isn't from God. Period. (no excuses) And sometimes, the Spirit of God just bears witness to our spirit that something is not quiet right. I believe we should listen to that "check" and hold all dreams and visions at an arms length unless persuaded by Scripture and the Spirit of God to do otherwise.
Post by zippetydoda on Oct 10, 2007 9:05:40 GMT -4
I want to say that I totally agree with you all about dreams and visions of purported Prophets. In fact I never believed that God spoke to us through dreams or visions. Then my son was killed 5 months ago. I remembered a vision I had during the day looking out my kitchen window as I was doing the dishes about a year before this tragedy. Never before had anything like that happened to me. I saw A flash of my son laying in the street dead exactly the way it happened nearly a year later. It hit me so hard that I had to sit down for 20 minutes and cry. I called my Mom and told her and I told my husband. Then I rationalized. I am a dispensationalist and so I dismissed it, thinking I was just worried mother.
I had never experienced anything like that before and although I don't think God communicates to us that way anymore as a body, everything he wants us to know about history and the future is right there in the Bible. I believe now that on an individual basis as He sees fit he does give us glimpses of things he wants to share with us.
I do believe that God can and does give us what we need, whether it's a vision or dream, if we need it personally. That is not to be confused with the garbage we see on the internet where people are posting their dreams and asking everyone what they mean.
When I was first saved, the Lord gave me 2 visions. They were for me personally and I knew exactly what they meant. Nothing like that has happened since, and I don't expect it to. But there was a reason for it at the time, just as there was a reason He showed you what would happen. At least that's what I think. God can do whatever He wants to help us.
I'm so sorry to hear about your son too Zippety....as a mother myself, I can only imagine what that was like for you.
I think what Linda says may be correct...there could be a time when we get a vision for ourselves personally, but I would think it would be a once or twice in a lifetime thing and definately is not to be confused with the wacky dreams and visions that these so called "prophets" are spewing out today...
Post by zippetydoda on Oct 10, 2007 10:27:54 GMT -4
Linda....Thanks for telling me that it happened to you too. I wish that I'd not dismissed it.....I am in a grief group with my husband my 17 year old and my sons (who was killed) fiance. It is a great help..they tell us to not do the "what if" thing. So I try not to, but this was a biggie for me...I keep thinking...what If I told my son about this, would he stil be alive today. He was only 19.
Laura.....thank you for your comfort. I agree about the modern day "prophets". I wish I'd not been so dogmatic with myself about it during that time, and would have just realized God was actually talking to me personally.
Łĭņďα: it's ok...I'm not even here that often...so I have to rely on what you guys tell me. How are you feeling El?
Jun 4, 2014 18:13:58 GMT -4
eleazar: Hi Linda - I'm physically doing well. My right foot is being treated, which means no driving, so I have a little cabin fever. Folks are taking me along and MY Linda, while working on some other stuff right now, is a God blessing.
Jun 5, 2014 9:11:09 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: that's good to hear...and I hope the treatment is quick!
Jun 6, 2014 22:43:48 GMT -4
eleazar: 39 degrees here this morning. brrrrrr
Jun 9, 2014 17:38:44 GMT -4
Patricia: Leviticus 23 talks about two lots of 50 days, can anyone else see that?
Jun 9, 2014 21:29:24 GMT -4
Patricia: To me it looks like the first 50 days is a mourning time and finishing time for Jesus death and resurrection, not pentacost
Jun 9, 2014 21:31:12 GMT -4
Patricia: Could Pentacost actually be July 27, to me it certainly looks that way
Jun 9, 2014 21:31:40 GMT -4
Patricia: Moses arrived Mt Sinai Sivan 15, according to Exodus, 3 days later Sivan 17 trump of God could this be the rapture?
Jun 9, 2014 21:35:12 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: Patricia...there is no "a" in Pentecost. Also, there are no signs for the rapture....there are no clues in the Bible for it. That's why Paul declares to us what the risen Lord told him, that it was a MYSTERY. Mystery here means it's a SECRET.
Jun 10, 2014 7:59:33 GMT -4
eleazar: Pentecost is a Jewish holiday and we are not per Gal. 3:26-28. So we don't celebrate it. What do you have in mind for that day? 2 loaves in the Temple?
Jun 10, 2014 10:07:08 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: Happy Father's Day!
Jun 15, 2014 7:01:55 GMT -4
eleazar: Thank you and it's my Linda and my 40th anniversary. Things are looking up.
Jun 15, 2014 10:17:39 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: aw, hope you had a lovely anniversary!
Jun 21, 2014 10:27:38 GMT -4
eleazar: We did have a happy anniversary!
Jun 22, 2014 13:10:50 GMT -4
likeaberean: Belated happy anniversary! That's a nice number.
Jun 25, 2014 21:14:09 GMT -4
eleazar: Happy Birthday - United States
Jul 4, 2014 9:52:20 GMT -4
eleazar: Hope everyone at GBC is okay this morning?
Jul 8, 2014 8:22:03 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: GBC? Grace Bible College? My boys are safe and sound at home.
Jul 12, 2014 17:54:18 GMT -4
eleazar: Good There was quite a storm up there when I posted the message.
Jul 13, 2014 12:13:11 GMT -4
eleazar: Posting is sure alot more difficult with the new ProBoards site. It inserts type qualities not intended by me as a poster.
Jul 25, 2014 13:12:50 GMT -4