Today, Christians do not need to rely upon dreams and visions to know God's will or to reveal the future. We need only to rely upon God's Word to reveal His will and plans for our future. Many charismatics rely upon dreams and visions (Benny Hinn, Kathryn Kuhlman, etc.) to know God's will.
Hebrews 1:1-2 says, "God who at sundry times and divers time manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds."
God's Son is His revelation; therefore, visions and dreams are no longer needed today in our day of grace to determine His will for our lives.
I told you that I was a dispensationalist! But not an ultradispensationalist!
The key word here is to rely. Indeed, God has given us His Word which has all we need to know His will for our lives. The Bible does not, however, forbid the concept of God still speaking to people through dreams and visions. Joel speak of such occurring in the latter days. And the New Testament has examples of people who were spoken to in this most unusual manner (examples, Pilate's wife, the wise men, Peter, Paul, and Cornelius). God doesn't change, and there was enough in the Old Testament to proclaim who Jesus was, even if there were no dreams and visions. The key is, I believe, to be open enough to accept that God can do anything He wants to, but to be discerning enough to know when something is not in accordance with His written Word, which is the ruler He gave us to measure truth by. This doesn't mean that if we can't find a contradiction with Scripture that we should accept it was God saying something. Any dream or vision that includes a prophecy about something must be 100% accurate or it isn't from God. Period. (no excuses) And sometimes, the Spirit of God just bears witness to our spirit that something is not quiet right. I believe we should listen to that "check" and hold all dreams and visions at an arms length unless persuaded by Scripture and the Spirit of God to do otherwise.
Post by zippetydoda on Oct 10, 2007 9:05:40 GMT -4
I want to say that I totally agree with you all about dreams and visions of purported Prophets. In fact I never believed that God spoke to us through dreams or visions. Then my son was killed 5 months ago. I remembered a vision I had during the day looking out my kitchen window as I was doing the dishes about a year before this tragedy. Never before had anything like that happened to me. I saw A flash of my son laying in the street dead exactly the way it happened nearly a year later. It hit me so hard that I had to sit down for 20 minutes and cry. I called my Mom and told her and I told my husband. Then I rationalized. I am a dispensationalist and so I dismissed it, thinking I was just worried mother.
I had never experienced anything like that before and although I don't think God communicates to us that way anymore as a body, everything he wants us to know about history and the future is right there in the Bible. I believe now that on an individual basis as He sees fit he does give us glimpses of things he wants to share with us.
I do believe that God can and does give us what we need, whether it's a vision or dream, if we need it personally. That is not to be confused with the garbage we see on the internet where people are posting their dreams and asking everyone what they mean.
When I was first saved, the Lord gave me 2 visions. They were for me personally and I knew exactly what they meant. Nothing like that has happened since, and I don't expect it to. But there was a reason for it at the time, just as there was a reason He showed you what would happen. At least that's what I think. God can do whatever He wants to help us.
I'm so sorry to hear about your son too Zippety....as a mother myself, I can only imagine what that was like for you.
I think what Linda says may be correct...there could be a time when we get a vision for ourselves personally, but I would think it would be a once or twice in a lifetime thing and definately is not to be confused with the wacky dreams and visions that these so called "prophets" are spewing out today...
Post by zippetydoda on Oct 10, 2007 10:27:54 GMT -4
Linda....Thanks for telling me that it happened to you too. I wish that I'd not dismissed it.....I am in a grief group with my husband my 17 year old and my sons (who was killed) fiance. It is a great help..they tell us to not do the "what if" thing. So I try not to, but this was a biggie for me...I keep thinking...what If I told my son about this, would he stil be alive today. He was only 19.
Laura.....thank you for your comfort. I agree about the modern day "prophets". I wish I'd not been so dogmatic with myself about it during that time, and would have just realized God was actually talking to me personally.
mnBob: The daughter asked her mother...Why did you fold the 5" of ribs?...The mother told the daughter...your Grandmother taught me this way...so...I'm teaching you this way...
Jan 27, 2014 22:12:35 GMT -4
mnBob: The daughter was puzzled...Didn't fully understand...so...She went to her Grandmother and asked her... Why do we fold 5" of ribs?...
Jan 27, 2014 22:15:45 GMT -4
mnBob: The Grandmother told her...Well, I guess at the time my 14" pan was still at church from the bake sale... So I taught your mom with the 9" pan...
Jan 27, 2014 22:18:39 GMT -4
mnBob: The daughter clearly wanted complete understanding...So she took the steps needed to achieve complete understanding...
Jan 27, 2014 22:20:59 GMT -4
mnBob: Isn't that what Jesus wanted when He spoke in parables...Those that wanted complete understanding...Went to Him and asked...
Jan 27, 2014 22:22:32 GMT -4
mnBob: They took the first steps...
Jan 27, 2014 22:25:21 GMT -4
mnBob: That being the case...Aren't we TAUGHT how to BELIEVE...
Jan 27, 2014 22:27:01 GMT -4
mnBob: -----> MY thoughts on organized religion...I'm not opposed to organized religion...I just think organized religion cooks 14 inches of ribs in a 9 inch pan...
Jan 28, 2014 8:22:41 GMT -4
mnBob: I attend "church"...over 15 years as a Lutheran and over 31 years as a Catholic...yet...I'm not a Lutheran nor a Catholic...I personally have 16 inches of ribs to cook...I need more than a 9 inch pan...
Jan 28, 2014 8:48:55 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: ok, first of all, you never asked the question, how do we prove to Jesus that we believe. You said basically that salvation is by works, and nothing can be farther from the truth. Second of all, this shout box was not designed for in-depth discussions.
Jan 28, 2014 9:43:41 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: so, if you want to continue this, please join the forum and start a discussion thread. I wont' be answering any more of your comments on the shout box.
Jan 28, 2014 9:44:18 GMT -4
mnBob: As to your offer to join your forum...Thanks but No Thanks...As to your non-respond to my words...So be it...I'm confident, however, that YOU and your handful of members will continue to read my words...
Jan 28, 2014 17:32:50 GMT -4
mnBob: rapture watch forum is clearly dead...it is floating in cyber space...you have made over 20,000 posts... really...if you averaged just 1 minute per post that's over 333 hours of your time...devoted to what...
Jan 30, 2014 2:20:57 GMT -4
mnBob: maybe you would be better served if you buried rapture watch and devoted your time truly in the Word...
Jan 30, 2014 2:22:23 GMT -4
mnBob: The more time we spend with Him in the Word, the more truths He will reveal to us...Good Luck and God Bless...
Jan 30, 2014 2:25:07 GMT -4
eleazar: mnbob - You're posts are global and not Rapture specific. So it is better that you go your way. Thanks, but no thanks - Linda to bringing him on. He's just too big for us.
Jan 30, 2014 10:23:59 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: you're right El, and besides, it is impossible to take anyone seriously who attempts a "serious" discussion on a shout box.
Jan 30, 2014 13:15:11 GMT -4
eleazar: The Pack is not back - so Go Broncos!!
Feb 2, 2014 10:32:38 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: sorry El!! lol I think God was rooting for the Seahawks....
Feb 2, 2014 23:32:49 GMT -4
eleazar: Hopefully the team I root for will attend the game.
Feb 4, 2014 9:35:18 GMT -4