Today, Christians do not need to rely upon dreams and visions to know God's will or to reveal the future. We need only to rely upon God's Word to reveal His will and plans for our future. Many charismatics rely upon dreams and visions (Benny Hinn, Kathryn Kuhlman, etc.) to know God's will.
Hebrews 1:1-2 says, "God who at sundry times and divers time manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds."
God's Son is His revelation; therefore, visions and dreams are no longer needed today in our day of grace to determine His will for our lives.
I told you that I was a dispensationalist! But not an ultradispensationalist!
The key word here is to rely. Indeed, God has given us His Word which has all we need to know His will for our lives. The Bible does not, however, forbid the concept of God still speaking to people through dreams and visions. Joel speak of such occurring in the latter days. And the New Testament has examples of people who were spoken to in this most unusual manner (examples, Pilate's wife, the wise men, Peter, Paul, and Cornelius). God doesn't change, and there was enough in the Old Testament to proclaim who Jesus was, even if there were no dreams and visions. The key is, I believe, to be open enough to accept that God can do anything He wants to, but to be discerning enough to know when something is not in accordance with His written Word, which is the ruler He gave us to measure truth by. This doesn't mean that if we can't find a contradiction with Scripture that we should accept it was God saying something. Any dream or vision that includes a prophecy about something must be 100% accurate or it isn't from God. Period. (no excuses) And sometimes, the Spirit of God just bears witness to our spirit that something is not quiet right. I believe we should listen to that "check" and hold all dreams and visions at an arms length unless persuaded by Scripture and the Spirit of God to do otherwise.
Post by zippetydoda on Oct 10, 2007 9:05:40 GMT -4
I want to say that I totally agree with you all about dreams and visions of purported Prophets. In fact I never believed that God spoke to us through dreams or visions. Then my son was killed 5 months ago. I remembered a vision I had during the day looking out my kitchen window as I was doing the dishes about a year before this tragedy. Never before had anything like that happened to me. I saw A flash of my son laying in the street dead exactly the way it happened nearly a year later. It hit me so hard that I had to sit down for 20 minutes and cry. I called my Mom and told her and I told my husband. Then I rationalized. I am a dispensationalist and so I dismissed it, thinking I was just worried mother.
I had never experienced anything like that before and although I don't think God communicates to us that way anymore as a body, everything he wants us to know about history and the future is right there in the Bible. I believe now that on an individual basis as He sees fit he does give us glimpses of things he wants to share with us.
I do believe that God can and does give us what we need, whether it's a vision or dream, if we need it personally. That is not to be confused with the garbage we see on the internet where people are posting their dreams and asking everyone what they mean.
When I was first saved, the Lord gave me 2 visions. They were for me personally and I knew exactly what they meant. Nothing like that has happened since, and I don't expect it to. But there was a reason for it at the time, just as there was a reason He showed you what would happen. At least that's what I think. God can do whatever He wants to help us.
I'm so sorry to hear about your son too Zippety....as a mother myself, I can only imagine what that was like for you.
I think what Linda says may be correct...there could be a time when we get a vision for ourselves personally, but I would think it would be a once or twice in a lifetime thing and definately is not to be confused with the wacky dreams and visions that these so called "prophets" are spewing out today...
Post by zippetydoda on Oct 10, 2007 10:27:54 GMT -4
Linda....Thanks for telling me that it happened to you too. I wish that I'd not dismissed it.....I am in a grief group with my husband my 17 year old and my sons (who was killed) fiance. It is a great help..they tell us to not do the "what if" thing. So I try not to, but this was a biggie for me...I keep thinking...what If I told my son about this, would he stil be alive today. He was only 19.
Laura.....thank you for your comfort. I agree about the modern day "prophets". I wish I'd not been so dogmatic with myself about it during that time, and would have just realized God was actually talking to me personally.
eleazar: Hi Linda - This cold weather does a number on my feet anymore, but that won't keep me down. My mom is still in rehab, but ready to go home. Her speech is better and her core strength is returning slowly. How are you and mom doing with dad's passing?
Mar 13, 2015 10:02:16 GMT -4
eleazar: The cat just jumped up and I can't see much of my computer screen.
Mar 13, 2015 10:03:43 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: yeah, the cold weather is wearing on me as well, I'm so ready for warmth! My mom is feeling much better, considering everything. I am also doing really good now since my Dad's neighbor told me that my Dad had a relationship with Christ. I have peace.
Mar 14, 2015 14:34:33 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: soon and very soon...
Mar 14, 2015 14:35:06 GMT -4
WA Joe: I was wondering if this rapture forum could help me...and in turn...we will help each other...from Les' teachings, I would like to formulate a word meaning list...for an example, in Revelation, Les teaches that a BEAST is an EMPIRE/GOV..looking for more...
Mar 18, 2015 14:40:15 GMT -4
eleazar: So WA Joe you want to know when a word is not to be taken "literally", but "figuratively" instead? I posted a bit of information about "figures of speech" perhaps as a place to begin your list.
Mar 19, 2015 10:04:33 GMT -4
eleazar: Enjoyed a dry week of 80's in AZ last week. Now back to reality.
Mar 30, 2015 9:24:12 GMT -4
eleazar: Here comes Spring Winter
Apr 2, 2015 8:57:24 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: AZ? you lucky dog... but it was nice out today in NJ.
Apr 2, 2015 21:04:43 GMT -4
eleazar: My wife's cousin lives in AZ. His wife has been in NJ for work and wished that she could be in AZ with us. She heads back to AZ today.
Apr 3, 2015 8:39:24 GMT -4
eleazar: " ... confusion arises from the fact that so many under the present dispensation of grace, still occupy Jewish ground." - Jas. H. Brookes (1830-1897)
May 5, 2015 10:40:36 GMT -4
eleazar: Pray for my Linda - I will need another foot surgery - this makes number 5. 3 months weight off - ugh
May 21, 2015 9:18:34 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: oh man, El, I'm so sorry...wow. You been through a lot. Praying for you both.
May 22, 2015 19:33:09 GMT -4
eleazar: Your prayers are a kind gift to me and my family.
May 25, 2015 11:13:53 GMT -4
eleazar: Linda how's the weather been? Looked a little rough last night.
Jun 28, 2015 10:41:39 GMT -4
eleazar: Happy Entreprenuer Day - Some call it Labor Day
Sept 7, 2015 13:38:39 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: we just returned from a short little cruise to Bermuda. Weather was hot, water was choppy, but we had a memorable time! I hope you are well, Eleazar.
Sept 28, 2015 22:26:06 GMT -4
eleazar: Hope you're all wearing red on Fridays to honor our Uniform Services members. Might as well wear black on Mondays to stand against Planned Parenthood.
Oct 1, 2015 12:17:31 GMT -4
eleazar: My son and his wife have been to Bermuda and they thought it was lovely. I am currently recovering from MERS -- it's a long story. Hope for surgery this month. Hope for Rapture sooner.
Oct 3, 2015 9:42:55 GMT -4