Today, Christians do not need to rely upon dreams and visions to know God's will or to reveal the future. We need only to rely upon God's Word to reveal His will and plans for our future. Many charismatics rely upon dreams and visions (Benny Hinn, Kathryn Kuhlman, etc.) to know God's will.
Hebrews 1:1-2 says, "God who at sundry times and divers time manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds."
God's Son is His revelation; therefore, visions and dreams are no longer needed today in our day of grace to determine His will for our lives.
I told you that I was a dispensationalist! But not an ultradispensationalist!
The key word here is to rely. Indeed, God has given us His Word which has all we need to know His will for our lives. The Bible does not, however, forbid the concept of God still speaking to people through dreams and visions. Joel speak of such occurring in the latter days. And the New Testament has examples of people who were spoken to in this most unusual manner (examples, Pilate's wife, the wise men, Peter, Paul, and Cornelius). God doesn't change, and there was enough in the Old Testament to proclaim who Jesus was, even if there were no dreams and visions. The key is, I believe, to be open enough to accept that God can do anything He wants to, but to be discerning enough to know when something is not in accordance with His written Word, which is the ruler He gave us to measure truth by. This doesn't mean that if we can't find a contradiction with Scripture that we should accept it was God saying something. Any dream or vision that includes a prophecy about something must be 100% accurate or it isn't from God. Period. (no excuses) And sometimes, the Spirit of God just bears witness to our spirit that something is not quiet right. I believe we should listen to that "check" and hold all dreams and visions at an arms length unless persuaded by Scripture and the Spirit of God to do otherwise.
Post by zippetydoda on Oct 10, 2007 9:05:40 GMT -4
I want to say that I totally agree with you all about dreams and visions of purported Prophets. In fact I never believed that God spoke to us through dreams or visions. Then my son was killed 5 months ago. I remembered a vision I had during the day looking out my kitchen window as I was doing the dishes about a year before this tragedy. Never before had anything like that happened to me. I saw A flash of my son laying in the street dead exactly the way it happened nearly a year later. It hit me so hard that I had to sit down for 20 minutes and cry. I called my Mom and told her and I told my husband. Then I rationalized. I am a dispensationalist and so I dismissed it, thinking I was just worried mother.
I had never experienced anything like that before and although I don't think God communicates to us that way anymore as a body, everything he wants us to know about history and the future is right there in the Bible. I believe now that on an individual basis as He sees fit he does give us glimpses of things he wants to share with us.
I do believe that God can and does give us what we need, whether it's a vision or dream, if we need it personally. That is not to be confused with the garbage we see on the internet where people are posting their dreams and asking everyone what they mean.
When I was first saved, the Lord gave me 2 visions. They were for me personally and I knew exactly what they meant. Nothing like that has happened since, and I don't expect it to. But there was a reason for it at the time, just as there was a reason He showed you what would happen. At least that's what I think. God can do whatever He wants to help us.
I'm so sorry to hear about your son too Zippety....as a mother myself, I can only imagine what that was like for you.
I think what Linda says may be correct...there could be a time when we get a vision for ourselves personally, but I would think it would be a once or twice in a lifetime thing and definately is not to be confused with the wacky dreams and visions that these so called "prophets" are spewing out today...
Post by zippetydoda on Oct 10, 2007 10:27:54 GMT -4
Linda....Thanks for telling me that it happened to you too. I wish that I'd not dismissed it.....I am in a grief group with my husband my 17 year old and my sons (who was killed) fiance. It is a great help..they tell us to not do the "what if" thing. So I try not to, but this was a biggie for me...I keep thinking...what If I told my son about this, would he stil be alive today. He was only 19.
Laura.....thank you for your comfort. I agree about the modern day "prophets". I wish I'd not been so dogmatic with myself about it during that time, and would have just realized God was actually talking to me personally.
Daneil 2, 7,8,9,10,11,12 : Could somebody tell me the scripture were God says He stops the clock, or that there is a gap? Every teaching I have read on the rapture says there is this gap but never gives the scripture explaining this. The bible always interprets itself.
Nov 5, 2014 0:31:12 GMT -4
eleazar: "the clock of prophecy stopped" this phrase is from an article by J.C. O'Hair titled, THE MYSTIFYING MYSTERY. Prophecy's clock is stopped by God. I think that is what is meant when we talk about time being stopped.
Nov 5, 2014 9:45:42 GMT -4
eleazar: Daneil - Look up the article on bereanbiblesociety.org in order to get your answer. That's because clocks were not invented during the time the Bible was being written.
Nov 9, 2014 20:03:44 GMT -4
eleazar: Happy Thanksgiving to ALL of America
Nov 27, 2014 10:22:58 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: Happy Thanksgiving!
Nov 27, 2014 18:13:39 GMT -4
eleazar: I'd like to encourage the use of the word "adopted" for the saved of this dispensation. It seems the use of the words "saved", "saints" and "elect" seem to confuse the plethora of supersessionist groups.
Dec 4, 2014 9:21:56 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: hey peeps, how's it going?
Dec 7, 2014 18:35:01 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: "adopted" is ok with me
Dec 7, 2014 18:36:17 GMT -4