The pastor of the church we go to tells us that contemplative prayer is really a good thing, and that only a very small segment of it could be considered bad. So, even though he listened to that entire message linked in the first post, he has chosen to continue the use of Beth Moore's material for women's Bible study this year.
Meditation has been defined as: "self regulation of attention, in the service of self-inquiry, in the here and now." Wikipedia. Wonder what verse Beth Moore gets the above from in redfining prayer.
Not a word about thanksgiving - 2 Tim 1:3 Not a word about wanting a door of utterance - Col 4:3 Not a word about wanting Christ to be at home in fellow believers lives - Eph 3:17 Not a word about love towards one another - Phil. 1:9 Not a word about knowledge or judgment - Phil 1:9 Not a word about proving things that differ - Phil 1:9
I've only touched the surgace in a 5 minute search. What's Beth Moore's excuse, except that she's a false teacher. Also any pastor/teacher who sanctions such clap-trap had better re-read 1 Cor. 4:2
we are to meditate on God's Word, not just meditate....
JSYK - I am the one that spoke to our pastor about contemplative prayer AND this is exactly what he said. Contemplative prayer is used in conjunction with studying God's Word - we meditate upon and pray about God's Word.
Definition of Contemplative Prayer: As it is expressed in a modern day movement is mystically (i.e. based on a technique or method) in which one empties the mind of thought through repetition, usually of a word or phrase or focus on the breath. In this case the silence would be an absence of thought, all thought.
The purpose of contemplative prayer is to enter an altered state of consciousness in order to find one's true self, thus finding God. This true self relates to the belief that man is basically good.
Proponents of contemplative prayer teach that all human beings have a divine center and that all, not just born again believers, should practice contemplative prayer.
What is wrong with this picture?
People need to be informed before they remove their head and enter into and embrace Eastern religious / New Age practices into their time of devotion before the Lord.
I always thought that just talking with the Lord was prayer.
Hi Lord, it's me again, De -oh You knew it was me, huh? I just wanted to thank You Lord for all spiritual blessings that are mine and that are for each member of Christ's Body.
I sure liked the sunshine today. And the smile the grocer gave me was nice too. I see you everywhere Jesus, and I appreciate the fellowship that I have with you and with all the Saints in the Family.
Thank You Lord for answering my prayers about ________ and his needs. And thank You Father for comforting __________ in her time of turmoil. I trust You Father to supply all and ever need that each one of Your Children have need of.
Thank You Lord that we have such sweet fellowship. You really are very High and Lifted up and I appreciate You so, so much.
And Lord, while I'm at it - I pray for those Your Creatures that are not yet Your Children. May they come to know You very soon Lord. Continue to woo them Lord and soften their hearts to listen and hear the Word of Faith You wish to deposit in their willing heart.
I love You Father, I love you Jesus, I love You Holy Spirit. I'll talk to You again soon, so listen for me, K?
Here's a good resource to bookmark about many of the things that are creeping into and bringing full on apostasy inside the walls.
Did they have trouble getting dressed or was it "you're wearing that" thing. Jokes aside not focussing on Paul's prayers when you study prayer is missing beautiful patterns for prayer. I remember David Wilkerson's book; The Prayer of Jabez. That was useless in defining prayer for the church of today. It didn't even invoke the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
eleazar: Now that I can shout again, I don't think that Lambsbride ever posted the question asked?
Oct 13, 2013 11:29:58 GMT -4
likeaberean: No El, it appears to be just another drive-by (still zero posts from lambsbride777)
Oct 13, 2013 15:45:31 GMT -4
eleazar: Hey Linda. Are you doing okay?
Oct 22, 2013 9:10:45 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: hey EL, I'm doing ok. Been feeling a bit sick this week, but otherwise I'm doing splendidly. I'm trying to learn to sing and play guitar. Been busy with work at church. How are you doing these days? Feeling good?
Oct 25, 2013 10:00:24 GMT -4
zippo: Anyone online now? I am new here, just trying to figure it all out. Check back a little later. Oh, by the way, I hope you feel better!
Oct 25, 2013 16:33:27 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: Hi Zippo, welcome! Thanks for the good wishes.
Oct 25, 2013 22:06:18 GMT -4
eleazar: Back to you Linda. I hope that the joyful noise has more joy than noise. Welcome zippo. I am doing pretty well. A good deal of work out-of-doors has helped me recover to less abnormal than I already was (in both mind and body).
Oct 26, 2013 12:58:08 GMT -4
John637: Been a looong time since I've been by, just wanted to pop in & say howdy & God Bless you all!
Oct 27, 2013 21:27:14 GMT -4
likeaberean: zippo, in the "Forum Information & Statistics" right above the Shoutbox will show you who is online. FYI and welcome.
Nov 2, 2013 22:46:33 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: Hey John637, nice to "see" you
Nov 3, 2013 17:23:57 GMT -4
eleazar: I don't like Proboard's font selection feature. In few word's it doesn't work.
Nov 10, 2013 14:05:31 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: oh Sorry El! I don't have control over that stuff anymore.
Nov 11, 2013 18:00:38 GMT -4
eleazar: Just had to vent Linda. I understand.
Nov 14, 2013 13:30:24 GMT -4
eleazar: Anybody been blessed in spite of current news?
Nov 16, 2013 10:34:12 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: um...any news in particular? I'm blessed every day, even when I don't feel it.
Nov 18, 2013 23:18:26 GMT -4
eleazar: Happy Thanksgiving to all
Nov 27, 2013 9:01:32 GMT -4
likeaberean: Thanks El, the same to you.
Nov 29, 2013 2:00:02 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: Hope you all had a happy Thanksgiving as well. God is faithful.
Nov 29, 2013 19:57:11 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: snow is coming
Dec 13, 2013 20:57:02 GMT -4
eleazar: We're finally warming up a little.
Dec 14, 2013 10:14:45 GMT -4