The pastor of the church we go to tells us that contemplative prayer is really a good thing, and that only a very small segment of it could be considered bad. So, even though he listened to that entire message linked in the first post, he has chosen to continue the use of Beth Moore's material for women's Bible study this year.
Meditation has been defined as: "self regulation of attention, in the service of self-inquiry, in the here and now." Wikipedia. Wonder what verse Beth Moore gets the above from in redfining prayer.
Not a word about thanksgiving - 2 Tim 1:3 Not a word about wanting a door of utterance - Col 4:3 Not a word about wanting Christ to be at home in fellow believers lives - Eph 3:17 Not a word about love towards one another - Phil. 1:9 Not a word about knowledge or judgment - Phil 1:9 Not a word about proving things that differ - Phil 1:9
I've only touched the surgace in a 5 minute search. What's Beth Moore's excuse, except that she's a false teacher. Also any pastor/teacher who sanctions such clap-trap had better re-read 1 Cor. 4:2
we are to meditate on God's Word, not just meditate....
JSYK - I am the one that spoke to our pastor about contemplative prayer AND this is exactly what he said. Contemplative prayer is used in conjunction with studying God's Word - we meditate upon and pray about God's Word.
Definition of Contemplative Prayer: As it is expressed in a modern day movement is mystically (i.e. based on a technique or method) in which one empties the mind of thought through repetition, usually of a word or phrase or focus on the breath. In this case the silence would be an absence of thought, all thought.
The purpose of contemplative prayer is to enter an altered state of consciousness in order to find one's true self, thus finding God. This true self relates to the belief that man is basically good.
Proponents of contemplative prayer teach that all human beings have a divine center and that all, not just born again believers, should practice contemplative prayer.
What is wrong with this picture?
People need to be informed before they remove their head and enter into and embrace Eastern religious / New Age practices into their time of devotion before the Lord.
I always thought that just talking with the Lord was prayer.
Hi Lord, it's me again, De -oh You knew it was me, huh? I just wanted to thank You Lord for all spiritual blessings that are mine and that are for each member of Christ's Body.
I sure liked the sunshine today. And the smile the grocer gave me was nice too. I see you everywhere Jesus, and I appreciate the fellowship that I have with you and with all the Saints in the Family.
Thank You Lord for answering my prayers about ________ and his needs. And thank You Father for comforting __________ in her time of turmoil. I trust You Father to supply all and ever need that each one of Your Children have need of.
Thank You Lord that we have such sweet fellowship. You really are very High and Lifted up and I appreciate You so, so much.
And Lord, while I'm at it - I pray for those Your Creatures that are not yet Your Children. May they come to know You very soon Lord. Continue to woo them Lord and soften their hearts to listen and hear the Word of Faith You wish to deposit in their willing heart.
I love You Father, I love you Jesus, I love You Holy Spirit. I'll talk to You again soon, so listen for me, K?
Here's a good resource to bookmark about many of the things that are creeping into and bringing full on apostasy inside the walls.
Did they have trouble getting dressed or was it "you're wearing that" thing. Jokes aside not focussing on Paul's prayers when you study prayer is missing beautiful patterns for prayer. I remember David Wilkerson's book; The Prayer of Jabez. That was useless in defining prayer for the church of today. It didn't even invoke the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Patricia: Could Pentacost actually be July 27, to me it certainly looks that way
Jun 9, 2014 21:31:40 GMT -4
Patricia: Moses arrived Mt Sinai Sivan 15, according to Exodus, 3 days later Sivan 17 trump of God could this be the rapture?
Jun 9, 2014 21:35:12 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: Patricia...there is no "a" in Pentecost. Also, there are no signs for the rapture....there are no clues in the Bible for it. That's why Paul declares to us what the risen Lord told him, that it was a MYSTERY. Mystery here means it's a SECRET.
Jun 10, 2014 7:59:33 GMT -4
eleazar: Pentecost is a Jewish holiday and we are not per Gal. 3:26-28. So we don't celebrate it. What do you have in mind for that day? 2 loaves in the Temple?
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Łĭņďα: Happy Father's Day!
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eleazar: Thank you and it's my Linda and my 40th anniversary. Things are looking up.
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Łĭņďα: aw, hope you had a lovely anniversary!
Jun 21, 2014 10:27:38 GMT -4
eleazar: We did have a happy anniversary!
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likeaberean: Belated happy anniversary! That's a nice number.
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eleazar: Happy Birthday - United States
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eleazar: Hope everyone at GBC is okay this morning?
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Łĭņďα: GBC? Grace Bible College? My boys are safe and sound at home.
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eleazar: Good There was quite a storm up there when I posted the message.
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eleazar: Posting is sure alot more difficult with the new ProBoards site. It inserts type qualities not intended by me as a poster.
Jul 25, 2014 13:12:50 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: yeah the whole thing is rather annoying....not sure why they mess with things...
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eleazar: Still glad the site is here.
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