The pastor of the church we go to tells us that contemplative prayer is really a good thing, and that only a very small segment of it could be considered bad. So, even though he listened to that entire message linked in the first post, he has chosen to continue the use of Beth Moore's material for women's Bible study this year.
Meditation has been defined as: "self regulation of attention, in the service of self-inquiry, in the here and now." Wikipedia. Wonder what verse Beth Moore gets the above from in redfining prayer.
Not a word about thanksgiving - 2 Tim 1:3 Not a word about wanting a door of utterance - Col 4:3 Not a word about wanting Christ to be at home in fellow believers lives - Eph 3:17 Not a word about love towards one another - Phil. 1:9 Not a word about knowledge or judgment - Phil 1:9 Not a word about proving things that differ - Phil 1:9
I've only touched the surgace in a 5 minute search. What's Beth Moore's excuse, except that she's a false teacher. Also any pastor/teacher who sanctions such clap-trap had better re-read 1 Cor. 4:2
we are to meditate on God's Word, not just meditate....
JSYK - I am the one that spoke to our pastor about contemplative prayer AND this is exactly what he said. Contemplative prayer is used in conjunction with studying God's Word - we meditate upon and pray about God's Word.
Definition of Contemplative Prayer: As it is expressed in a modern day movement is mystically (i.e. based on a technique or method) in which one empties the mind of thought through repetition, usually of a word or phrase or focus on the breath. In this case the silence would be an absence of thought, all thought.
The purpose of contemplative prayer is to enter an altered state of consciousness in order to find one's true self, thus finding God. This true self relates to the belief that man is basically good.
Proponents of contemplative prayer teach that all human beings have a divine center and that all, not just born again believers, should practice contemplative prayer.
What is wrong with this picture?
People need to be informed before they remove their head and enter into and embrace Eastern religious / New Age practices into their time of devotion before the Lord.
I always thought that just talking with the Lord was prayer.
Hi Lord, it's me again, De -oh You knew it was me, huh? I just wanted to thank You Lord for all spiritual blessings that are mine and that are for each member of Christ's Body.
I sure liked the sunshine today. And the smile the grocer gave me was nice too. I see you everywhere Jesus, and I appreciate the fellowship that I have with you and with all the Saints in the Family.
Thank You Lord for answering my prayers about ________ and his needs. And thank You Father for comforting __________ in her time of turmoil. I trust You Father to supply all and ever need that each one of Your Children have need of.
Thank You Lord that we have such sweet fellowship. You really are very High and Lifted up and I appreciate You so, so much.
And Lord, while I'm at it - I pray for those Your Creatures that are not yet Your Children. May they come to know You very soon Lord. Continue to woo them Lord and soften their hearts to listen and hear the Word of Faith You wish to deposit in their willing heart.
I love You Father, I love you Jesus, I love You Holy Spirit. I'll talk to You again soon, so listen for me, K?
Here's a good resource to bookmark about many of the things that are creeping into and bringing full on apostasy inside the walls.
Did they have trouble getting dressed or was it "you're wearing that" thing. Jokes aside not focussing on Paul's prayers when you study prayer is missing beautiful patterns for prayer. I remember David Wilkerson's book; The Prayer of Jabez. That was useless in defining prayer for the church of today. It didn't even invoke the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Łĭņďα: my dad died today.... i am beyond sad
Jan 31, 2015 23:57:00 GMT -4
eleazar: I'm sorry Linda. I've gone through it and it is sad. My dad and father-in-law are believers in glory, but I have missed 2 decades of conversation and I've felt melancholy that I can't speak with either from time-to-time. That chapter is closed for now.
Feb 3, 2015 10:43:10 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: thank you. how nice it is that you will see them again. k
Feb 3, 2015 13:10:26 GMT -4
eleazar: How you doing Linda?
Feb 6, 2015 10:36:50 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: i'm doing better, just still in disbelief. We are with my mom in WV. Thanks for asking.
Feb 8, 2015 22:56:34 GMT -4
eleazar: Happy Lincoln's Birthday
Feb 12, 2015 10:02:53 GMT -4
eleazar: Happy Valentine's Day
Feb 15, 2015 10:36:50 GMT -4
eleazar: Pray for my Mom's restoration to health.
Feb 22, 2015 9:54:25 GMT -4
eleazar: Happy Washington's birthday
Feb 22, 2015 13:07:05 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: Hi EL... how are you? how is your mom? It's almost spring. I need sunshine.
Mar 12, 2015 19:59:27 GMT -4
eleazar: Hi Linda - This cold weather does a number on my feet anymore, but that won't keep me down. My mom is still in rehab, but ready to go home. Her speech is better and her core strength is returning slowly. How are you and mom doing with dad's passing?
Mar 13, 2015 10:02:16 GMT -4
eleazar: The cat just jumped up and I can't see much of my computer screen.
Mar 13, 2015 10:03:43 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: yeah, the cold weather is wearing on me as well, I'm so ready for warmth! My mom is feeling much better, considering everything. I am also doing really good now since my Dad's neighbor told me that my Dad had a relationship with Christ. I have peace.
Mar 14, 2015 14:34:33 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: soon and very soon...
Mar 14, 2015 14:35:06 GMT -4
WA Joe: I was wondering if this rapture forum could help me...and in turn...we will help each other...from Les' teachings, I would like to formulate a word meaning list...for an example, in Revelation, Les teaches that a BEAST is an EMPIRE/GOV..looking for more...
Mar 18, 2015 14:40:15 GMT -4
eleazar: So WA Joe you want to know when a word is not to be taken "literally", but "figuratively" instead? I posted a bit of information about "figures of speech" perhaps as a place to begin your list.
Mar 19, 2015 10:04:33 GMT -4
eleazar: Enjoyed a dry week of 80's in AZ last week. Now back to reality.
Mar 30, 2015 9:24:12 GMT -4
eleazar: Here comes Spring Winter
Apr 2, 2015 8:57:24 GMT -4
Łĭņďα: AZ? you lucky dog... but it was nice out today in NJ.
Apr 2, 2015 21:04:43 GMT -4
eleazar: My wife's cousin lives in AZ. His wife has been in NJ for work and wished that she could be in AZ with us. She heads back to AZ today.
Apr 3, 2015 8:39:24 GMT -4